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Dog Owners' Fate May Come in Court Thursday

Jefferson residents Susan and Gary Kolb continue trial over impounded dog, Imani.

 

After 16 months, the Kolb family might have resolution in their quest to be reunited with their impounded dog Imani this Thursday. The family is set to appear in court on March 14 and the final fate of their pet is expected to be decided.

The Kolb's saga began back in 2008 when dogs Imani and Jumba were accused of knocking over a woman and her grandchild and another complaint was made about the dogs having bitten two people in 2009. The end result was a court order for the Kolbs to muzzle their pets and keep them on a short leash while walking their dogs in public.

In Oct. 2011, the Kolbs were walking their dogs down a residential Jefferson road around 5:45 a.m. when, according Gary Kolb, Jumba's muzzle became dislodged. 

Kolb said he began walking with the dog toward a lighted street post on Chamberlain Road to properly place the muzzle back on Jumba when they were stopped by Police Officer Bryan Christie. Kolb said the muzzle was still in his hand as the officer pulled up and wrote them up.

On Oct. 26, 2011 animal control came to the Kolb residence to take away the two dogs.

“We were shocked and saddened yet proud that the dogs, even faced with policeman armed with automatic rifles, behaved quietly and with perfect behavior,” Susan Kolb said.

Since that day, the two dogs have been transferred between the two pounds in Jefferson and Hopatcong. Each day, regardless of weather or holiday, Susan Kolb and her husband Gary along with son Arthur have made an effort to visit and train their "two gentle giants." Gary Kolb said he had done extensive research in deciding which breed to take into the home with their autistic son. The Kolbs decided on the South African Boerboels, as they are naturally raised to protect children on farms in South Africa.

Jumba died Jan. 16 in what the Kolb's said was a preventable death.

“We feel we can never heal from the pain of losing Jumba. He was a true friend. We love him very very much." Susan Kolb said.

Since their dogs were taken, the Kolbs started an online petition, Send Jumba and Imani Home which includes not only photos of the couple visiting the dogs, but also videos of Gary Kolb training the dogs.

For his part, prosecutor James LaSala does not see the Kolbs bringing Imani home. In fact he said he anticipates finishing the trial, “by forwarding the request to forfeit the dog and authorize to euthanize/put down Imani.”

LaSala said he is still willing to consider having the dog placed permanently away from the Kolbs in an appropriate facility where they can either house the dog or have the credentials to retrain Imani.

“This dog, I don't trust," LaSala said. "I do not want this dog to be placed with another family.”

The Kolbs have taken their appeal to the internet hoping that the residents of Jefferson Township will look at their website and videos that they claim LaSala doesn't want anyone to see.

“Our message is we are excellent owners. We've spent all of our time training the dogs and we really hope the town will put this misunderstanding behind them and send our dog Imani home.” Susan Kolb said. “We hope the town will look at us for who we are and look at the case for what it is, and the truth will come out.” 

Related Topics: Gary Kolb, James LaSala, Jefferson Municipal Court, Jefferson Municipal Pound, South African Boerboels, and Susan Kolb

jody orr

1:45 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Seriously, doesn't the prosecutor have anything better to do? Aren't there any real dangerous criminals that he should be focusing on, instead of trying to kill a family dog?

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Clint

1:54 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Obviously James LaSala has hatred for these people or animals in general. Otherwise, how does ANYONE in this city not see how twisted his case has been against this family? He's done his best to kill one dog, yet he's still pushing hard to get the other dog killed, too...

Meanwhile, some old lady just got robbed.

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stephanie Lavender

2:11 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

totally agreed with comment above..havent these people suffered enough? For Gods sake, let them have their dog back home with an autistic child who is probably suffering tremendously over this whole thing!! Id die if this happened to me!!
Tax dollars shouldnt be spent on this!!! Shame on you La Scala and the courts who are allowing this to perpetuate!

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Hoffmann Patricia

4:34 am on Friday, April 12, 2013

you are very right jody this is ridicules i am crying to read bullshit like this every day glad to live in Europe poor dog ,they should take all the rappist and other criminals of the street and not make families unhappy and tear there hearts appart because the killing familie pets ,my dog is like my child to me and i am shure Imani and Jumba are to to them ( rest in peace Jumba poor baby )

LWalker

1:56 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Agree. A family pet who is gentle is not a concern. Thank goodness we have common sense in Oregon. It seems to be lacking in this town.

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leslieaw67

9:36 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

These animals are not gentle, they have bitten people before, hence the court order to muzzle the dogs.

Tracy Soloff

2:03 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I hope the tax paying residents see what a WASTE of time and money this prosecutor has spent!
Fire or vote his butt OUT!!!

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Monika Wagner

2:30 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

LaSala is another animal hater. Useless waste of public money ( Paid in by working people) not the certain type called the entitled ones.Welfare users etc. The NEW breed. But then look at the 1st. family's spending.

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Barbara Duke

2:54 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

As an American Staffordshire Terrier mix parent, I understand what this family is going through. With educating the public as to the natrual nature of such deemed vicious breeds, it is so many have already died. All of the Pit Bull, other Bully Breeds and mixes, I feel locally we are making progress, one dog at a time. Every year localy for NPBAD (day), we have a great turn out and some who have seen our Bullys as mean vicious dogs, we are bringing the public around. It's a slow process, but we keep being the voice of the voiceless. My prayers go out the family. I hope they can Imani home, I'm sure she is lonely since Jumba died. I have 4 personal dogs, all are rescues, even my Staffie. Their breeds range from German Shepherd mix, Border Collie mix, Staffie mix and Doxie/Dalmation mix. My Staffie is the most social of my dogs. I deemed her my Social Butterfly. She charms everyone she meets. RIP Jumba, your life ended way too soon.

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Lesley Stuifbergen

2:57 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I am so sadden by this whole case and for 16 months of not being with your dogs and then not taking care Imani and the death of this dog inside a prison How shameful!!!! LaSala is uncaring and obviously does not want to LOSE!!!!!. A dog's life is at stake and I hope with all my heart they are able to get their dog back. If a dog even look like a Pit Bull type, the dog is doomed if something goes wrong. I wish them al the best in court and that the Kolb's win this case and save the life of Jumba. Let this dog come home to their family and child!!!!!

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Rita Ross

3:08 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Why is it no photo(s) was taken at the time when Jumba had no muzzle on along with a photo of Imani wearing a muzzle. It would not be believable that Jumba was wearing a muzzle and Imani was not. The newspaper article states that Jumba's muzzle had slipped, not Jumba and Imani's. Everything seems to hinge on what people.are saying and people can say anything they want. The Kolbs might not have had a camera with them just to walk the dogs but it seems odd that the police would have no camera.

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Rita Ross

3:23 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I need to clarify what I wrote in my last email. Clarification: "It would not be believable that the Kolbs had consciously not put a muzzle on Jumba but had put a muzzle on Imani. " That Jumba's muzzle had slipped and the Kolbs took the dogs to a lighted street light to replace Jumba's muzzle would be true.

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Susan Kolb

12:27 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Dear Rita,
Good point. We however, do have photographs of our dogs wearing muzzles as they left for their walks.Both dogs were wearing muzzles. Jumba dislodged his muzzle and Gary was about to put it back on when the policeman stopped him. Imani did not dislodge or remove her muzzle. We are not guilty of the charge of walking our potentially dangerous dogs without muzzles on an empty street at 5:30 am and to date, we have not been convicted. The Trial is continuing and I believe our lawyer will present a rebuttal witness tomorrow.
Susan

Lynn Aime

3:43 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Mr. LaSala's point about not trusting the dog comes from his experience with the dog? Has he even been to see the dog? The Kolbs have suffered enough and it does seem that Mr. LaSala is acting irrationally about the incidents. These dogs were family members and he needs to understand their value. I am praying that the courts will have the intelligence to see this and free Imani!

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heather boise

6:02 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

i feel sorry for this family but common sense would be not to take the dogs back out in public just incase the muzzle id come off and the dogs get caught without a muzzle no matter what i would havekept my dogs inside and away from people so this wouldnt happen again

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Rita Ross

6:13 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Is Heather saying that the Kolbs were never to walk Jumba and Imani outside, ever.
If so, Heather is wrong to suggest that Jumba and Imani were to remain prisoners in their own house.
If this is not what Heather is saying, then - and I mean no disrespect to Heather - I don't know what she is saying.

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Amy Gould

2:56 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Heather, I am not sure you read the details of the article. The dogs were being walked at 530am in the dark, before daybreak. The owners were taking huge precautions and even if, as it did, the muzzle comes off, who is really around at 530am to be endangered by the dogs. I can think of a thousand better uses for our public funds. (How about starting off with the juveniles that continually sit smoking at the local McD's parking lots without any fear of citations-what a disgrace.)

suzie

8:55 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

The DA is clearly on a personal hate campaign. I had 2 Bull Mastiffs who were convinced they were lap dogs. Every kid in the neighborhood including mine learned to walk holding on to ears or a mouth of one of them. These big drooling pups may look scary but they are not. Not all dogs like other dogs. They may love "their" dogs but not other dogs. Only an idiot would not understand that.
This family has been through hell. Why should I donate to Sandy relief if this city has money to waste on destroying one family? Also the cop was a neighbor I think and wasn't "called" in at 5:45 am. And the person who noted that the child is suffering is correct. The dogs were for him. This DA needs to be impounded not the dog. Call the Gov. Ask if he thinks this is a good use of time & money for NJ.
FREE THE DOGS AND LOCK UP THE DA.He is nuts.

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francisjosephe

3:47 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

La Salle was clearly brought up in a very deprived childhood where he had no toys to play. As his parents came from a third world country, !!! see this is what happens when you take in immigrants from third world countries they do not improve!!! this is America you got to learn that you cannot take peoples things from people just because you do not like them , here we are protected by what is called the constitution!! furthermore wasting time on fighting animals is not what you are paid for if you have balls and common sense prosecute mobs and crimminals not innocent citizens who pay your salary, it does not come from god you see!! cet to some real work and leave the poor animal alone.

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Stephanie

9:19 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

They moved from another town where their dogs bit people along with the couple incidents in Jtown... hmm sounds like La Salle is doing the right thing to me. I am a dog lover and have a big dog but if my dog ever bit anyone I wouldn't defend him, sorry but that is unacceptable!

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Chris Johnson

10:48 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Thank you! You aren't the only one here that thinks La Salle is doing the right thing. I'm thinking most of the people posting here live far away from Jersey City and don't know the whole story.

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Rita Ross

12:19 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Of course, you wouldn't, you couldn't defend your dog . If he bit someone it would be your fault that he was not under your control. You would need to be defended, not your dog.

leslieaw67

9:34 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

There is alot to this story that wasn't mentioned in this article. These dogs have bitten people before and the owners made a promise to the courts that in exchange for not euthanizing them they would send them to California. They lied and kept the dogs instead. Then they were found out and were told that if they moved out of Jersey City to a rural area they could keep the dogs. So they move to a RESIDENTIAL neighborhood in Jefferson, where I live, and take these massive dogs out for walks without the required muzzles. There are children out playing in their yards and people walking their dogs on a daily basis and these dogs pose a threat to everyone's safety! These dogs have attacked before and no one really knows what they will trigger them to act aggressively. If they go on attack there is no way their owners can stop them, they weigh over 110 lbs! This family seems to think they are above the law and have repeatedly disobeyed court orders, now they are trying to play on everyone sympathy by bringing their autistic son into it. I'm all for pets! They should buy their son a gentle family dog like a Golden Retriever, they make great therapy dogs and excellent companions. I am not an advocate for putting dogs down, it is sad, but at the same time I think there are certain breeds of dogs that do not make good family pets and when an animal has been PROVEN to be a danger to people then the no longer deserve to be a part of our society.

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Stephanie

10:09 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Thanks leslieaw67! very well said (I didn't quite have the words to say). Couldn't agree more!

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Rita Ross

1:58 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I don't know who wrote the nasty comment to me when I was responding to leslieaw67's insulting and proofless comments, :"Easy there, Tolstoy. Comments can only be 1500 characters." Where, Rude Person, do you have that notice? "Characters" not 'words." Very limited.
I had a lot to write about leslieaw67's baseless accusations that she tossed around without proof as well as her obnoxious comment that the Kolbs were now dragging in their autistic son.
Leslieaw67, you are one nasty piece of work. The Kolb's son was always present, but not mentioned, and if one has an autistic child one would research dogs that would be good with children. Do you really think the Kolbs went out of their way to deliberately get dogs who would harm their child or anyone else's child? Leslieaw67, too bad I cannot respond to you with more than '1500 characters.' I have a whole bunch of characters I'd like to use on you and on that anonymous person who was not honest enough to sign her/his name when insulting me. You're also a nasty piece of work, Cowardly One.

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Amy Gould

3:07 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Goldens are equally strong and, when they want to, they can easily pull their owner down. You may be advocating for a small breed like a Yorkie or a Dachshound. Wait, those dogs are notorious for biting people and being extremely loud.

You may have a point about the history of this case but it is an absolutely wasteful use of public funds. The reality of the situation is that our kids are much more likely to get hurt in the halls of our schools (despite the anti-bullying codes) than by these dogs. I mean seriously, do you happen to know what happens on our buses? A girl got molested last year. The kid had a quickie court appearance and was back playing sports the next week. That sounds like justice to me.

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Monica Soules

4:49 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

OMG I am with you...I think everyone who is on the Kolbs side in insane...obviously they do not have children of their own...thank god for that...it seems if they did they would protect the dog more than a child. I live in the same neighborhood as you and i have 3 children who ride their bikes, play outside and just enjoy hanging around the neighborhood with their friends.....I should not be afraid of them doing this because of vicious dogs living here. Anyone can say Oh that will never happen here...well we all know thats not the case. These dogs should not under any circumstance be in a neighborhood with any one including children... Wake up people think about it...whats more important making sure people are safe or worrying about dogs that have attacked a small child etc before. I worry about my children as well as my self being....not anyone else...if the Kolbs want their dogs back move out and go somewhere where they cannot hurt another human being. Oh and to Rita Ross shame on you for being so hostle you seem like a vicious dog yourself....you have no idea what your talking about...if you feel this strong about the dogs why don't you keep them at your house until this situation is resolved..until then pls try to see a parents point of view before you say nasty things...your the one with no compasion for human beings and more for dogs and it shows in your posts. Bud out of a communities business.

Donna

11:19 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Les...I bet you didn't know that Golden's account for more dog bites than amy other breed. This is clearly some kind of vendetta by some ignorent neighbors and some cowardly proscequter trying to bully the "new guys" one the block.

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leslieaw67

3:41 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Rita, Where do you get off calling me rude and saying my statements were baseless?? Who are you? Is Rita Ross an alias for Susan Kolb, because she is the only one with firsthand knowledge of the "facts." I am basing my OPINION on the numerous articles I have read in regards to this case. If there was no foundation to the claim that these dogs were dangerous, I would be in agreement with you, but they have been cited for previous incidents. What do we have to wait for? An innocent child being mauled to death before you can say the town is justified for taking the dog away from its owner? I love animals but I don't place their value over the value of a human being.

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Jayne

3:49 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

You are completely right! Don't waste your time with these fictitious people, the Kolbs are guilty of disobeying the law....

Jayne

3:48 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if majority of these responses are the "Kolbs" using fictitious names, I have never ever seen this many people comment on an article in the patch, ever. That being said....the Kolbs, and everyone else on here need to stop blaming Jefferson residents, Jefferson police & the Prosecutor for the dog situation. If the Kolbs obeyed the law when they were in Jersey City, you wouldn't be in this predicament. You, the Kolbs, chose to lie to the courts by saying the dogs would be sent to CA, then you move, with them to a residential neighborhood in NJ...hmm, that wasn't the agreement. Once again, not Jeffersons fault, your fault. There are many children living and playing in this development, stop lying about the dogs not being dangerous too, a simple google search will show a multitude of articles about the dogs attacking people, which was found to be true in court, which is why the dogs were to be sent out of state.
So, I'm not sure who all these people are that are responding and harassing the law abiding neighbors of Jefferson, from your track record you are probably paying them, like you tried to pay off the kids in the development to get people to follow your nonsense. However, I hope all the wasted time spent on this case, most of which was dragged out by you, is finally over and the truth really does come to light...you disobeyed the law, and your dogs are dangerous.

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leslieaw67

4:02 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Jayne, Thank goodness there is someone else out there that believes people should obey the law and not get second, third and fourth chances. The Kolbs have put themselves in this situation and they have been responsible for dragging this out in court, not the DA. Until they get the answer they are looking for they will keep going to court, at our expense.

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Chris Johnson

4:53 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I apologize if this post comes up twice, I'm not sure if I'm posting correctly. In any case I am 100% in agreement with Leslie and Jayne. You aren't alone here. The Kolbs did all this to themselves by continually flouting the authority of the courts and I'm not just talking about the unmuzzling. Had they obeyed the original 2009 court order, there would be no discussion. People who act above the law are not fit to be regular members of society and don't deserve to own any kind of pet.

Rita Ross

4:01 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

To: Susan Kolb

Dear Susan,

I am glad photos were taken of Imani and Jumba wearing their muzzles before your walk. Then why is there a court case? The photo(s) would be proof that what you and Gary claim is true: Both dogs were wearing muzzles and Jumba's muzzle slipped off.

You may not have had the photo on you when you were stopped by the police but you had photo(s) to show to the prosecutor, James LaSala. How did this case get so far?

How did Police Officer Bryan Christie.know that Jumba and Imani were to be muzzled that he wrote you up when he saw Jumba without a muzzle. Did Christie think you were consciously walking Jumba without a muzzle and Imani with a muzzle. There are some missing pieces in this newspaper story.

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Rita Ross

6:13 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Rita Ross is a real person, not the Kolbs in disguise. I believe however that leslieaw67 is really James LaSala.

And I feel sorry for any pet owned by anyone criticizing the Kolbs for doing whatever they have to to save Imani. These others would throw their animals under the bus. So what if the Kolbs initially said they would give Jumba/Imani to people in California. They changed their minds. They did not want to give their dogs up. That is no lie. That is loving your pets.

And, Jayne, you commented on all the people writing in. Well, you and leslieaw67 have been writing in quite a lot. Where did you two come from? .

And Leslieaw67, dear one, you are rude.

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leslieaw67

6:46 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sorry Rita, I was mistaken, you aren't Susan Kolb, just the president of her fan club. It wasn't up to Mrs. Kolb to "change her mind" because she didn't want to give up the dogs. She was in contempt of court! She was ordered by the Jersey City Municipal Court to move the dogs out of state. She didn't, end of story. The fact that they gave her another chance to keep the dogs if she moved them out of Hudson County and then she AGAIN defied the law by not muzzling the dog is a galling. I can assure you I am not James LaSala, just a concerned citizen, but it gave me a chuckle to read that - good one Rita!

Rita Ross

6:36 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I am not sure of what the 2009 court order says (per Chris Johnson). I am aware of the 2008 court order stating muzzles and short leash,. Would Chris Johnson be good enough to state what the 2009 court order said.

Would Jayne give us the URLs of her 'simple Google search" showing a multitude of articles about the dogs attacking people. I, and I am sure others, would like to read those articles. It is not enough to say "simple Google search" without furnishing some identification/the addresses of the articles. Were the artilcles about dogs attacking people or about Jumba/Imani attacking people?

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Rita Ross

7:05 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Oh, yes. I forgot to add that Rita Ross is real, but I believe that leslieaw67 is James LaSala in disguise.

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Rita Ross

9:06 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I commend Leslieaw67 for her reasoned response to me. What is to be said and done about a parent who defies the law by taking his/her child out of state or country? What is disturbing are the statements that the Kolbs defied the law. That is why we are all writing to each other. It has not been proven, though, tomorrow, the 15th, we will know what the decision is.

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Rita Ross

12:36 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Censorship runs amok in the.Jefferson Patch. I wrote a comment, it initially appeared and now it is gone.

I also wrote a comment in reply to Stephanie's comment, below, but this newspaper placed my comment between Chris Johnson and leslieaw67's comments, totally out of date/time place. What is in Jefferson Township's drinking water anyway?

Stephanie

9:19 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
They moved from another town where their dogs bit people along with the couple incidents in Jtown... hmm sounds like La Salle is doing the right thing to me. I am a dog lover and have a big dog but if my dog ever bit anyone I wouldn't defend him, sorry but that is unacceptable.

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Rita Ross
12:19 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
[To Stephanie]
Of course, you wouldn't, you couldn't defend your dog . If he bit someone it would be your fault that he was not under your control. You would need to be defended, not your dog

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Jayne

7:02 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

So Rita, what you are saying is it is the Kolbs fault the dogs bit multiple people, because they weren't in control of their pets...correct?
As for my being here and commenting, I am a Jefferson resident, therefore I have every right to be concerned about these dogs living near my children. Do you live in Jefferson, Rita?
I am also a dog owner and animal lover, however, this has become more about the Kolbs disobeying the law. They are not supposed to be living here, in nj with the dogs. That was not the court agreement, if they were going to miss their dogs moving to ca, they should have moved there with them and not defied the law, again. I hope justice is finally served.

Rita Ross

12:50 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

I find it 'interesting' Jayne, Stephanie, leslieaw67 nor Chris Johnson have responded as to what they believe should be done to a parent who, say, in a custody case, defies a court order and leaves the state, country with the child. Why no answer?
No, Jayne, I am not from Jefferson Township and that means what? It was you who noted all the people writing in on the Kolbs. Are you going to respond that I am defending the Kolbs because I have no child(ren) to worry about being knocked over' or 'bitten.' I live in a rural area where there is no leash law - dogs run loose - so the chance of a child's being bitten is as strong, or stronger, in my area. As for your being an 'animal lover,' that comment is similar to hunters who 'respect' the deer right before they blow the animal's head off. Anyone can write he/she is an animal lover. It's what you do as an animal lover that counts, not just writing it.
I find it amazing that the Kolbs have supposedly defied every court order - example: Jayne writes they were not 'supposed to be living here, in nj [sic] with the dogs' - but yet the Kolbs were never arrested for defying the court order(s) that Stephanie, Jayne, leslieaw67 and Chris Johnson are complaining about. Wouldn't you think that if Jumba/Imani had knocked people over, had bitten people, they would have been taken away from the Kolbs - or destroyed -way before the Kolb's move to Jefferson Township?

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Chris Johnson

1:19 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Rita,

I'll respond but I don't represent anybody else's views here. Even though it is a very different subject, non-custodial parents who defy child custody orders account for well over half (maybe 3/4) of all child kidnappings. While it might not be as bad as a child who gets kidnapped by a stranger, a non-custodial parent taking the child does not make it okay by any means. I could go on all day about the cases of Elizabeth Morgan, Cathy Mahone, Chuck Smith, all very different situations, all situations where the authority of the courts were flouted (not necessarily by the person I've named per se; I think in Cathy Mahone's case, her ex-husband kidnapped the child and she kidnapped her back, from Jordan). Elizabeth Morgan, Chuck Smith and numerous other non-custodial parents have either gone to prison for what they did or been put on some kind of probation and the child was returned to the custodial parent. There may have been moral issues at play here, and maybe people felt a lot of sympathy for these non-custodial parents, but when your DISOBEY a COURT ORDER, do you expect law enforcement and the court system to just sit back and say, "it's okay, the court order was wrong, we won't do anything about it'? No, we have laws and procedures for a reason. If people don't obey them, then we don't have a civilized society; we move towards anarchy, like in Somalia, not a pleasant place to live. I'll address your other point in the next post.

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Chris Johnson

1:23 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

On the subject of you not living in Jefferson, that means you are probably unfamiliar with the entire story about these dogs. Many of the people who support the Kolbs aren't from the area, so their lack of knowledge about tthe whole story is understandable. I posted links in an earlier post about what these dogs did back in 2008 and 2009, take a look or use Google with the couples' names and the words "dogs" and "Jersey City".

Also, on your original question, a non-custodial parent that takes a child out of state or out of country is usually not creating a danger to their neighbors or anyone else unrelated to them, so most neighbors aren't going to express any opinions or get involved. Dogs in a neighborhood with small children are another story.

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Chris Johnson

1:29 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

In your response to your third question, the dogs WERE taken away from the Kolbs - and lived in a shelter in Jersey City while the cases associated with the biting and knocking over were decided. Read the earlier news stories, not just the message posts. It's a case that is now in its fifth year and is rather complicated.

Stephanie

2:57 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Thanks Chris, I think Rita must not have a life to sit on here all day and night and make comments about things that are not relevant to what we are discussing. That is why I refused to waste any time. Just stop talking Rita you sound more ignorant with every post!

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Rita Ross

3:47 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Tch! Tch! So nasty, Stephanie. I suggest you not read any posts showing that I have written them. I have been very careful that my posts, while critical, were not nasty. Take Chris, for example. He is a gentleman and I gladly accept his comments. Even leslieaw67 was nice enough to joke about my comment that she was James LaSala in disguise. You, Stephanie, do not know how to relate to people. What you have done in being so nasty in your post has demeaned everything you ever wrote. Do you think people will take you seriously as a mature thinking adult when you attack me for comments that you decided were irrelevant. That this is a free county means I can write anything I want about any topic as long as my comments are not libelous. Again, just don't read any post with my name on it. I don't want you to be upset. Poor baby.

Chris Johnson

4:02 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Rita, on another note, do you have anything to say about what I posted? This particular story is officially old news now, as there's already been another story on last night's court ruling. I don't want to put words in your mouth but if I understand you correctly (and because this is only an internet forum, maybe I don't understand you correctly) that you likened the Kolbs' defiance of the court orders as similar to a non-custodial parent who takes a child out of state or out of the country, in defiance of a court order, and therefore what they did was okay. Am I right, or were you trying to say something different? Are you familiar with some of the non-custodial parent abduction cases I mentioned?

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Rita Ross

4:39 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Chris, it was my intention to respond to you. I should have noted that in my reply to Stephanie. Your questions are concise and to the point. Allow me some breathing time, however, as all these (my) posts have taken time from my doing other things in my life that needed to be done. One accomplishment you have achieved is that I will google / read the stories on the Kolbs. But, please remember, as you wisely wrote that you spoke only for yourself (when I grouped you with 3 other people) I am expressing my values, not the law. If the law is something I don't agree with, then so be it! I will still do what I think should be done based on my values. At the risk of being 'irrelevant" I once took a cat that 'belonged' to someone else as the cat was being neglected. Obviously that 'crime' cannot be placed in the category of harming another human being as we are discussing here re. Jumba and Imani, but it was still against the law and, yes, I would do it again. You've posed some interesting questions for me.

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Stephanie

4:47 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Chris im pretty sure her entire argument is that, at least the understandable posts. To me it sounds exactly that she condones child abduction and people in general disobeying the law. It's fine to say what you want Rita but you don't need to post on everyones opinions! We did our research we don't have anything to prove to you yet you continue to post the same questions more then once, let me answer so you have a clear understanding. No I do not think it is ok for non custodial parents to kidnap their children, and no, I also don't think it is ok for people to not follow court orders as this entire conversation is about. I am not being nasty I'm just stating my personal opnions! Get over it poor baby, I too suggest you don't rea my posts. And if you didn't want a confrotation then you should keep other commenters names out of your posts!

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Rita Ross

6:06 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Stephanie, I never wrote inferring I condoned child abduction. I posed a question of what you and others thought should be the legal consequences of doing so. And, Stephanie, it's impossible to take you seriously. You make such grandiose statements. You state "We did our research." Who is the 'We" who did their research? Do you really know those people. PS. Your English and spelling are terrible. Yeah! Yeah! It's the fault of the computer.
I also will respond to Monica, another Stephanie, but I will respond first to Chris after a few days breather. Chris, this is not my full response just a quick 'value' reply. If a parent loves a child enough to defy the law, that parent deserves praise (or jail if that is the legal consequence about which the parent probably knew before taking their child away). I am sure the Kolbs knew there would be consequences when they did not complete the California transaction, but were willing to accept them. And here they are, in court, having lost Jumba in the worst way, his being in 'jail' and not with them at home, and spending thousands of dollars. If that is not love to be envied, then I don't know what is. Chris, I am not familiar with the non-custodial parent abduction cases you mentioned, but I will research them, too. You've given me a lot of homework to do and those dishes in my sink will keep on being unwashed and getting higher. Yes! Yes! Stephanie, totally irrelevant.

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Chris Johnson

7:57 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Rita, give all the praise to these people and envy their love all that you want.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished and the remaining dog taken away.

They've gotten off relatively easy considering all that has gone on over the years. But really, I'm done trying to convince you, because I probably never will and done posting on this particular article, so consider my white flag raised. Oh, and save yourself all the research about the non-custodial parent cases, wash your dishes instead because I fail to see how those cases have anything to do with this one. You will never convince me either.

Rita Ross

10:01 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

I just wasted way over an hour responding to Chris Johnson's post and find that this hick newspaper did not print it. Just deleted it. This hick newspaper also seems not to furnish a phone number, just email. What a town! People who write vulgar criticisms, don't know "you're" (for 'you are') from 'your' - that's Monica - and hick newspapers like the Cabbage - err! - Jefferson Patch. No wonder America is being dumbed down.

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Rita Ross

1:17 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Rather than allow the Jefferson Patch to censor me, I will compose my answer again. Let me be perfectly clear. I would defy any law in which my pets would be taken from me. No one, no one would take my pets. If others do not feel that way, that is fine with me, but don't shove your opinion down my throat and become vulgar.
As for Monica Soules' wailing about the danger of these dogs to children, read the sane comments that Amy Gould wrote to Heather Boise on March14 re. Heather's comments: " Heather, I am not sure you read the details of the article. The dogs were being walked at 530am in the dark, before daybreak. The owners were taking huge precautions and even if, as it did, the muzzle comes off, who is really around at 530am to be endangered by the dogs."
Read what Monica Soules wrote to me: "Oh and to Rita Ross shame on you for being so hostle [sic] you seem like a vicious dog yourself." This is the "intelligence" of those criticizing the Kolbs.
Chris Johnson: Whoa! Back up. You were the one who named certain stories re non-custodial parents and asked if I knew the stories. I did not but said I would research them. I thought you wanted me to and I thought to be courteous. Why then did you mention these stories to me? Also, you should blame the law, not the Kolbs, if you think they got away easy all these years.

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Danielle Doran Liberio

3:10 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Enough misery! The right thing to do is give the Kolbs back their dog. What a shame one has died and enough has been done to this family. Really, the dogs were taken away because the owner was walking his 2 dogs down the street with a muzzle and one dogs muzzle got loose so the owner took it off and was in the middle of readjusting the muzzle back on the one dog at 530 am. Sounds to me that this officer could have been more reasonable. But instead made huge issue of it and took the dogs away. These poor dogs and now one died. This poor couple. Enough is enough. Give the dog that's still alive back to the Kolbs . They have been through enough. As far as people saying the dog bit someone. Show me the proof because if there was proof and this was true the dogs would have been out down back then. Some neighbors will say anything to be spiteful. Three was

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Danielle Doran Liberio

3:23 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013

I read a story where a neighbor called the cops because their next door neighbors dog barked and it annoyed this neighbor. So another time the neighbor said the dog bit her. She never went to the doctors for it but wanted the dog to be put down they took the dog away and there is litigation going on after almost 3 years. There are a lot of mean people out there. This woman wanted her neighbors dog to be put down and it's obvious the neighbor that was complaining just didn't like the dog because the barking annoyed her. This neighbor caused misery to this dog and her neighbor because of being spiteful. This is the kind of stuff going on out there. It's terrible. This is why people can say anything and I don't believe it unless I see it. Best of luck to the Kolbs. God bless you and pray this nightmare is over and you get your dog back. One thing is for sure, get your dog and get the heck out of that town . Far, far away.

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Rita Ross

12:09 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

To: Danielle Doran Liberio

Thank you for your comments.

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